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Thorium laser car. Yeah, right. November 11, 2013

Posted by Maury Markowitz in balonium.
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Thorium powered car

Looks can be deceiving.

I never cease to be astonished at the total bologna that gets the bloggers all a Twitter.

Oh I know all about link bait and click throughs and all that garbage, but still, don’t you want to avoid looking like a complete idiot?

Well apparently not, because the entire technosphere was blogrolling a story about a thorium powered car that never needs fuel, ever!



All the stories are exactly the same, as they all simply re-write each other, so I’ll just pick one representative sample. Our target for tonight is one David Schilling, who lists on his impressive blogging resume as “visiting MIT”. Sadly, actually attending MIT isn’t on there, which is too bad or maybe he’d realize it was a complete line of BS that he was regurgitating with the breathless anticipation of a prom queen.

He’s not the only one of course, over on Mashable, liberal arts major Colin Daileda weights in with his identical version, while MSN, wisely, chose not to list the author of their photocopy. There are hundreds of examples, pick yer favourite.

And it should become obvious something is amiss if dig into it a little. Because then you’ll find that the exact same story was floated around the ‘net before, with equally sad results. For instance, here’s the same story in a 2011 post.


So if you want to see how completely bogus this story is, you need to go back to its real origins, in 2008.

You see that fancy picture up at the top of the article? That’s what LPS says it wants to build. And where did that come from? It was an art project.

That’s right, an art project.

Cadillac originally formed back in 1902, and for their 100th anniversary celebrations, they commissioned a series of advertising and art projects over the next couple of years.

Loren Kulesus, a designer of super cool skateboards and guitars, drew up the design for the “World Thorium Fuel” concept car, which looks super cool like the rest of his work.

And to go with it, he said it would be really neato if the car lasted 100 years, you know, because it’s the 100th anniversary. So he put together a bunch of technobabble words like “thorium” and “laser” in the write-up.

That’s it. He just made it up. And it’s not like anyone hid this fact, and tried to pretend it was real or anything. It was clear right from the start this was just an art project.

Consider the acronym. That’s the Cadillac WTF.

And then…

So then, to LPS…

Ok so this guy Stevens comes along, takes the art project, re-writes it to pretend he’s building one, and launches a web site.

That’s it, that’s the entire story.

And people actually believe it. Not just believe it, go into forums and defend it! Gebus!

It’s clear no one did the slightest checking on Google before publishing their BS stories, because they would have found that the good doctor’s entire resume consists of a piece of 3D modelling software, which, in spite of claiming to be “revolutionary”, has exactly one mention on the web – the self-published press release that says it’s revolutionary.

What’s amusing is that if one simply takes a trip over to Stevens’ Laser Power Systems web page, you’ll find it’s even less well presented than this one. It consists almost entirely of technobabble, bad 3D modelling and links to random web pages about 3rd party software.

Then there are the various grandiose claims about how they will “provide a growing tax base for the expansion of local infrastructure”, that they will “create an industrial base that will impact the world economy”, and, in the poorly formatted text at the bottom, that their “Research and development is powered by a engineering community of more than 8,000 highly skilled technical experts around the world.”

Better yet, check out his linkedin page, where he claims to be the “chairman of the board” of a one-man company and that he claims some sort of connection to “NFO, CIA, Darpa”. He fails, however, to mention where that doctorate comes from, and no one else has found it either.

None of this set off alarm bells in anyone’s mind?!

Do the math

Anyway, back to Schilling… let’s examine a typical bit of the technobabble he happily quotes:

According to CEO Charles Stevens, just one gram of the substance yields more energy than 7,396 gallons (28,000 L) of gasoline and 8 grams would power the typical car for a century.

That sounds too good to be true doesn’t it? Well you know what I like to do in these cases, you do the math.

No really, do it

A quick trip to Google tells me that a gallon of gasoline, perfectly burned, yields 114,000 BTU. Use Google to convert that to more common physics terms, that’s 120 MJ, or in electrical terms, 33.3 kWh. A gallon of gas is enough to drive a car about 30 miles, on average.

An equally quick trip to the Wikipedia to look over thorium reveals that it releases the energy in its decay chain over an extremely long period of time, just longer than the lifetime of the universe actually (yes, really), and gives off a total of 42.6 MeV. MeV’s are extremely small units, converting that means every complete decay would give off 6.8 x 10-18 MJ, or 2  x 10-18 kWh. That’s small.

Now that energy will, eventually, be released by every atom in that 8 grams of fuel. The number of atoms in anything is a basic relation between the atomic and measured weights. In the case of thorium, that means there are 2.6 x 1021 atoms per gram. Again, the Wiki and Google has all of this at your fingertips. So you simply multiply the two to find that a single gram of thorium contains 17,680 kWh of energy. Eight of them would give off 141,500 kWh. That’s a lot.

Ok, so if a car can go 30 miles on 33 kWh, and we have 141,500 kWh to burn, that means the car could go maybe 128 thousand miles…

Hmmm, things are sounding funny already, that’s the number of miles that would be driven in 5 years, not 100.

But wait one second…

No, actually, wait 4.4×1017 seconds. That’s because that energy will take an average of 14 billion years to come out of the thorium – actually that’s the time to get only half of it, but I’ll ignore that quibble for now.

So if we take that 141,500 kWh, and divide by 1.2 x 1014 hours, that’s 1.17×10-9 kW per hour.

You can convert Watts to horsepower by dividing by 750 (basically), so this is 1.5 trillionth of a horsepower.

Talk about pimping your ride!

But wait!

Now the thorium loving crowd reading this (all two of you, running the numbers) will complain that you don’t have to use natural decay to get the energy out – you can use simulated decay as you would in a nuclear reactor.

Sure, that’s true, but that’s not what the web site says. The web site basically invokes magic, saying the thorium powers a laser which heats water. That’s the entire description. Ummm, ok.

So to those people, would you like to see thorium reactor powered cars? Do you think such a thing is possible? Ok fine, do the math!

So, to conclude:

This story is complete BS, and the web page in question is precisely what it appears to be – personal blog posts by a not particularly talented 3D artist who can’t figure out how to turn on his spell or grammar checking software, let alone the anti-aliasing feature of Autodesk.

There’s a whole lot of BS in the world, don’t get me wrong. And with the internet at our fingertips that BS gets spread around the planet in seconds. But that doesn’t absolve everyone of putting even the slightest effort into trying to figure out if the stories are true or not.

I did the math, but honestly, you don’t have to, just look at the LPS web site for 30 seconds and decide for yourself.


1. Dingo - December 13, 2013

You could present your argument like the intelligent human being you are instead of ranting like an obnoxious fool. If that occurs, people may actually listen to you.

Dingo - December 13, 2013
Maury Markowitz - December 13, 2013

I couldn’t agree more! You should write LPS and get them to update their site.

That too is a joke. This is Energy Matters, not Do The Math. He’s much smarter that I am, so that niche is filled. My niche is the wiseass version, or as you put it, “ranting like an obnoxious fool”. So, basically, it’s working! Yay!

2. Okian Warrior - January 13, 2014

Is Thorium the end product? I thought Thorium would decay to Radium 228, which itself decays. Include the energy from the daughter products if you’re going to debunk this claim.

The thing about how long it would take for the energy to get out via decays is inappropriate. His claim of a Thorium laser does not mention details; for example, the Thorium could include a mix of Uranium 225, which would serve to induce a faster decay rate in the Thorium.

Perhaps he isn’t being specific on the website because the website is aimed at non-professionals, or because he’s found something useful and wants to keep it a business secret?

I don’t believe this guy is anything more than a fraud, but the tone of your prose is demeaning – not something you would typically get from a professional worthy of respect.

Maury Markowitz - January 13, 2014

“Include the energy from the daughter products if you’re going to debunk this claim”

I did. Did you take the “equally quick trip”?

“no more than a fraud, but the tone of your prose is demeaning”

Precisely. But make sure you understand who it’s directed at. I don’t care that someone put up a bologna web site, I care that “reporters” can’t tell the difference, or more likely, are too lazy = to check. These people are worthy of all the scorn we can heap upon them.

3. Maury Markowitz - February 26, 2014

OMG, I got onto The Skeptic’s Guide to the Universe!


It’s about at the 3/5ths point.

4. Dudley - March 13, 2014

This thing is still making the rounds. People are dumb and that’s the point. Truth doesn’t matter on the intertubes…

Maury Markowitz - September 17, 2015

2015 and I just got several hundred more hits when someone passed it around on FB. Amazing.

5. Dave - March 19, 2014

Thanks for the breakdown.

“1.17×10-9 kW per hour” should be in just kW. I say this in full knowledge that I was too lazy to go out and do the math myself.

Maury Markowitz - March 19, 2014

Indeed, thanks for the correction!

6. Mike - May 8, 2014

Thorium powered coffee pot.

7. Lord Bungle - May 10, 2014

From 2009. I think a few more people need to do a bit of research before they comment.http://m.autoblog.com/2009/01/13/not-in-detroit-cadillac-world-thorium-fuel-concept/

Maury Markowitz - May 10, 2014

Yes and no. The 2009 design was an art project. I think when our erstwhile “inventor” saw it, he designed LPS around it to cash in on the concept. And on that point, it appears it worked.

8. Phillip Batz - May 28, 2014

I’m going to run right out there and be the first to buy one! Or, maybe the second, after I see what happens to the first guy. Assuming this isn’t click-bait. Yeah, that.

9. Kenny Chaffin - August 11, 2014

Thank for this!

10. Anthony S - September 24, 2016

Your remarks on thorium are making me reconsider my position on the LFTR, which has been generally favourable. Can you speak about the LFTR technology that Kirk Sorensen at Flibe Energy (http://flibe-energy.com/) is trying to develop.
“Our Technology and Vision
Flibe Energy is developing liquid-fluoride thorium reactor (LFTR) technology to access the energies of the element thorium, Earth’s most abundant energy-dense natural resource. Fission of one atom of nuclear fuel releases over one-million-times more energy than burning of any hydrocarbon or other fuel molecule. With LFTR technology, 6,600 tons of thorium could provide the energy equivalent of the annual global consumption of 5 billion tons of coal, 31 billion barrels of oil, 3 trillion cubic meters of natural gas, and 65,000 tons of uranium.”

Maury Markowitz - September 25, 2016

There’s nothing wrong with the tech of LFTR, unlike LPS. But the economics of anything with a Rankine cycle at the back end is doomed. The turbine and cooling loop along costs more than a wind turbine that makes the same amount of energy, even before you build the reactor. Google “why fusion will never happen” – it’s not so much the fusion (or fission) part as the other parts you need to buy.

11. al cramer - June 20, 2017

Thanks! Loved it! Superbly entertaining. Reminded of late night TV ad for some super product. Was expecting to be offered a free flux capacitor – just pay processing and handling.

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